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Rudy Schellekens's avatar

"To be clear, I don’t believe there is anything wrong with paying ministers. It’s well-supported in the New Testament text and draws on strong Old Testament precedent."

Pure curiosity: Show me the passage that "well-support paying ministers. The only examples I can think of is elders who teach (1Ti 5:17  Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching) and Paul's support for missions. MAYBE the apostles, but that is about it.

Preaching the gospel was done to non-believers. If we think we need to have preachers preaching the gospel to those gathered in Sundays, we have a serious problem. Last I read, the believers gathered to encourage one another (Not one to many) to love and good works, to build up one another (EACH of you has...).

There was no such thing as a "paid minister" as we practice that today. More than that, we now have SIXTEEN kinds of minister, from youth minister (making THEM responsible for the spiritual journey of OUR children) to worship minister.

Our "together times" are not based on the songs, prayer, Lord's Supper (now done as fast as possible to give the paid minister more time) sermon, giving, and our songs (Our "five acts of worship:). Interestingly enough, we have build an entire hermeneutic to find supporting passages fo that - and by that, ripping those out of their context. Giving? Never intended to pay ministers, insurance, pension plans, real estate buildings and maintenance, and o, wait, we have to use some of that for evangelizing too. Our missionary outreach has shrunk by almost 80% - because we have to pay the local ministery staff, and maintain real estate.

So, let's bring ministry back where it belongs: In the hands of the "amateur" rather than the "professional (Master's Degree preferred)." Let's bring our "worship" back to the amateur, rather than the professional worship minister. Let us, as parents, accept responsibility for the spiritual development of OUR children, rather than yet another professional. Let us, as members, accept the responsibility for the encouragement and building up of the church. And, more than anything, let elders be the shepherds they need to be, and not the business managers they turn out to be.

Other than that... I appreciate reading your writing!!!

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KAM's avatar

New wine skins!

But in the same vein, I disagree that two incomes are necessary.

Two incomes are necessary to live a two-income lifestyle. Here too we need to reexamine our assumptions.

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