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Alexis Learner 🌻's avatar

We need to get a lot of things redefined. It’s seriously becoming so so toxic.

Simply defining submission as it ought to be, loyalty, which men are also supposed to do, we would solve a lot of problems.

Simply bringing to light everything said to women is also said to men would solve a lot of problems.

Simply remembering Yah’s covenant is with all people and men aren’t the favored ones, but men and women recieve the promise would solve a lot of problems.

I don’t get it.

But, I’m glad a man is speaking up, cuz lord knows the men in these mindsets aren’t going to hear a word from the women with megaphones.

TiredCitizen's avatar

I’ve been in church music for over 40 years and watch the seeker-sensitive, purpose driven, CCM set fire to the American church. I remember in the early 1990’s trying to sound the alarm at churches where I served about what was happening as the church threw opened their doors and said “what do YOU want church to be?” (Rick Warren did this exact things in starting Saddleback.). We let the world dictate to churches what they should be and look 30+ years later what has happened. I’ve watched the hub of life (God) be broken so every spoke of the wheel gets fractured until the wheel almost becomes useless.

We have become “entertain me!” churches. I remember one interview I had in the late 1990’s that wanted videos of my past children’s choir program so they could judge the type of programs I did. Needless to say, I didn’t have any. It used to be what you faith was and your belief about God, the Bible and Jesus were paramount. That changed. Even after all these years, I still hear people say “well, if the music changed people will come.” No. Yes, you can have large churches, but look at the attendance statistics. Look at the Bible illiteracy rate we have now. Look at how many people worship at the altar of sports now. And don’t get me even started on churches closing there doors for (some) over a year while Satan danced with glee. It was almost like we did the story of Job again. “God, those people don’t really worship you. They don’t really want to grow in this faith you say they need to have or the acceptance of this Son you say you have. Let me show you.” Look what happened……..

Can the ship be turned around? Only by a God given miracle. I personally believe that God has said “okay, you want to run MY church your way?” Have at it. As the Bible says, there is a remnant. It gets smaller by the day. I tell people to stay away from the denominational churches. Look for a church that preaches, teaches and lives by the Bible. That is going to draw a big X on most churches. It is sad. My church music ministry has watch that hub of the wheel get a tiny crack and become more fractured year by year. We have lost 2 (or 3) generations to our lack of being faithful to the Word. (Where do you think Millennials and Snowflakes came from?”). My heart hurts for our youth who we have failed.

God is faithful and Sovereign and He will triumph in the end by the return of His Son, Jesus Christ, to establish His Kingdom. Getting to that day will grow darker and darker as the wheat is separated from the chaff.

James Rhodes's avatar

The larger threat is the flesh and the unchecked power in the pulpit. When a spiritual leader has no accountability to an outside board of peers who are not on pay role, then it's super easy to slip on a crown of power and slide into corruption. Mars Hill ... Hillsong ... Tons of recent examples where pastoral corruption sinks huge ships when power is left without checks.

While women are not less vulnerable to corruption and power, you don't see that many women having sexual impurity or embezzlement, as much as the men.

The power of God is not defined by having or not having grizzle between the legs.

Period.

God's power and favor will flow where there is obedience and submission to Him. That's more likely to happen when leaders are held accountable, not when women are cast down as less than and driven from ministry as a scapegoat.