Completely agree with your points. As one preacher put in last year (I think the reference came from MacArthur) that the marriage dynamics were messed up at the point Eve decided to take the controlling role in the relationship and took the bite of that apple and then told Adam to do the same. I had never heard it put that way before but the premise is 100% accurate. All we have to do also is look around since Feminism began in the 1960's (this entire country started its' downward slide since that decade) to see what happens when men abdicate their role by giving it to women (and yes, I am a woman).
It is also a common teaching that Adam failed in his role as a man. How is the devil talking to Eve and he is not protecting her? His failure is more subtle than hers but is quite relevant to this discussion.
Rather than saying that things got messed up when Eve took the controlling role in the relationship, which continues to be a problem today, we could say that things got messed up when Adam took a passive role in the relationship, which continues to be a problem today.
Very good thoughts. A lot of parallels to eldership/church relations as well. Regarding your point about a wife addressing a husband's podcasts: My wife brought up an interesting point about my listening to Matt Walsh recently. She said words to the effect of "his attitude is not good." I explained to her that I agree, he tends to be overly caustic at times, but I'm still going to listen to him because 1) he is right about most (not all) issues he brings up, and 2) he is extremely good at using logic and debate, something that I need to be able to do as a preacher. I told her that she had a valid point that I needed to make sure and not develop some of the characteristics of his attitude that are not great, but that I would continue to listen to him occasionally for the reason of studying his logic and area of expertise in debating the issues of our time. To her credit, she left it at that, and I left it at that as well.
Perfect example. She felt comfortable raising it, you took her thoughts into consideration, acknowledged some points without simply caving, and came to a decision. Simple as that!
Completely agree with your points. As one preacher put in last year (I think the reference came from MacArthur) that the marriage dynamics were messed up at the point Eve decided to take the controlling role in the relationship and took the bite of that apple and then told Adam to do the same. I had never heard it put that way before but the premise is 100% accurate. All we have to do also is look around since Feminism began in the 1960's (this entire country started its' downward slide since that decade) to see what happens when men abdicate their role by giving it to women (and yes, I am a woman).
It is also a common teaching that Adam failed in his role as a man. How is the devil talking to Eve and he is not protecting her? His failure is more subtle than hers but is quite relevant to this discussion.
Rather than saying that things got messed up when Eve took the controlling role in the relationship, which continues to be a problem today, we could say that things got messed up when Adam took a passive role in the relationship, which continues to be a problem today.
And let’s twist the story around thousands of ways to get to the same point.
A Complementarian's "he’s using his authority [too] often" is a Patriarchalist's "daily responsible headship."
This will be the fight brought to us for the rest of our lives.
Very good thoughts. A lot of parallels to eldership/church relations as well. Regarding your point about a wife addressing a husband's podcasts: My wife brought up an interesting point about my listening to Matt Walsh recently. She said words to the effect of "his attitude is not good." I explained to her that I agree, he tends to be overly caustic at times, but I'm still going to listen to him because 1) he is right about most (not all) issues he brings up, and 2) he is extremely good at using logic and debate, something that I need to be able to do as a preacher. I told her that she had a valid point that I needed to make sure and not develop some of the characteristics of his attitude that are not great, but that I would continue to listen to him occasionally for the reason of studying his logic and area of expertise in debating the issues of our time. To her credit, she left it at that, and I left it at that as well.
Perfect example. She felt comfortable raising it, you took her thoughts into consideration, acknowledged some points without simply caving, and came to a decision. Simple as that!